Malaysian Crash Ukraine

MH-17 …Searching for the Truth by Craig Andresen on July 29, 2014 at 5:26 am Article Co-Written by Diane Sori

On July 17th another Malaysian plane…MH-17… went down but this time it was different. Different than MH-370 in that this one did indeed crash. However, crashing is NOT what makes this different…being shot down out of the sky does.

While early reports have everyone blaming Vladimir Putin or Russia for this take down there are a few things that just do NOT add up.

First, Putin was the one who told Obama that a plane was down and that in and of itself seems an odd thing for someone supposedly involved to have done. What’s even odder is that Obama was fast to accuse Putin of downing the plane before the debris of the plane even had a chance for its fires to die down.

The more we learn…in mere bits and pieces…the more questions are raised. Questions like…was this an actual surface-to-air take down or was this done by an air-to air-missile?

The actual flight path as compared to what should have been the flight path was changed. According to Malaysian air officials, the common route for these planes traveling to Asia would have been about 200 miles south of the flight path this plane was on. Malaysian Air is saying that air traffic control out of Kiev moved MH-17 to a flight path 200 miles north of the one normally used which sent MH-17 directly over the war zone, an alteration probably done while the plane was still in Polish airspace.

Why did they move this plane 200 miles north over the exact area where other military planes had recently been shot down? Part of the problem is that the Kiev government has reportedly seized those records from air traffic control so we might NEVER know.

Another part of the problem is that air traffic control knew damn well this was a civilian airliner and NOT a military plane yet they diverted it over rebel held territory, which raises the question of why would Ukrainian officials send a civilian plane over enemy territory?

One possibility is that this was a deliberate set-up done specifically to create collateral damage which would then be used to defame Putin. And worse yet, could Obama have been part of NOT the take down itself but in setting the blame game stage, especially since he has been ‘neutered’ so to speak on the international stage by Putin. Remember, Obama rushed to judgment, blaming Putin based on supposed ‘classified intel’ before any official investigation had begun. And then there was something he said, something that even at the time seemed to be a preemptive strike should the truth start to leak out.

“Our immediate focus will be on recovering those who were lost, investigating exactly what happened and putting forward the facts. And I want to point out there will likely be misinformation as well. I think it’s very important for folks to sift through what is factually based and what is simply speculation,” Obama said.

Recovering those lost was Obama’s primary goal NOT getting to the truth…more like silencing the truth if you ask us.

Now more questions…if this was a Buk missile it would have been an SA-11, and according to Jane’s Digest…the military weapons digest…to track, lock on, and fire you need a minimum of 5-1/2 minutes. Then you need a visual on the target, and while the SA-11 is guided by radar, you still have to have a visual on the target. MH-17 was a Boeing 777, which we know was at cruising altitude of 33,000 feet and flying at a speed of about 580 ground miles per hour. Because of the flight path and where it was shot down, the plane would only have been over the target area for about a minute and ten seconds, so…if this was a surface-to-air missile how did they manage to track it for the required minimum time or get a visual on it, especially on what was obviously a cloudy, overcast day as can be clearly seen in the videos of the explosion?

That’s what’s making us think that there’s a better likelihood that this was an air-to-air missile and NOT a ground-to-air missile.

But what of the SAM…the SA-11 that was reportedly fired? We know for a fact that Ukraine has had several military aircraft, both fighters and cargo aircraft, shot down in that very area so somebody is most definitely firing missiles but…what if this was an attempt to shoot down yet another ‘military aircraft’ and MH-17 was a case of mistaken identity? Could the separatists have mistaken a Ukrainian fighter jet tailing a civilian aircraft for a Ukrainian fighter escorting a Ukrainian cargo jet…that is indeed a likely possibility and a heat seeking SA-11 would have targeted the greatest heat source…the exploding MH-17.

Seen so briefly on the overcast day, separatists could very well have taken a shot as the fighter jet fired at MH-17, and as the SA-11 surface-to-air missiles are heat seekers, the SAM would naturally be drawn to the exploding jet leaving the initial impression with the separatists that they had successfully hit their target.

But even with this possibility, we keep coming back to this very important fact…Ukraine has the SU-25, a fighter jet that carries air-to-air missiles. And this fighter jet can gain an altitude of 6.2 plus miles and is equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 7.4 plus miles.

The R-60 air-to-air missile, while updated now, is still available in its original form and as the older version would be less expensive for a struggling nation to purchase. We believe those to be the missiles that are being used by Ukraine. The R-60 is equipped with a fragmentation warhead and a proximity fuse NOT at all unlike the warhead and fuse system used in the SA-11 and either would account for the reported shrapnel damage to MH-17.

And this SU-25 jet is what the Russian military said they detected gaining altitude towards MH-17 on the day of the take down. Here we have a Ukranian fighter jet… according to the Russians a mere 2 to 3 miles away from MH-17…and its presence of the Ukrainian can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center. Also, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, at the moment of the MH-17 crash an American ‘spy’ satellite was parked in a geosynchronous orbit  that specific area of eastern Ukraine, and we… the U.S. government…was asked to publish the space photos and data captured to help show the truth about who shot down the plane, but to date these photos have NOT been published. Gee…we wonder why…sarcastically said of course.

However, either scenario…surface-to-air or air-to-air…could have resulted in the destruction of MH-17 at 33,000 feet and left telltale signs of shrapnel penetration of the aircraft.

But why would a Ukrainian fighter jet do this…why would Ukraine do this? Simply because Ukraine is losing against Russian forces…and losing big…and desperation could well be setting in is why. What better way to turn the world’s public opinion their way than to place the blame for civilian deaths in such a horrific fashion on Russia…on Putin.

Collateral damage is one thing but intentionally caused collateral damage is something else entirely. But could Ukraine have known ahead of time from the passenger flight manifest that MH-17 was mostly full of Europeans, as this too could help rouse Europe against Russia, at least for the purpose of sanctions.

Now that we’ve presented two possibilities let’s look at one quite different from the others but still something that must be considered in this day and age of Muslim terrorists …. could MH-17 been brought down by an internal explosion that just happened to occur at the same time the rebels were firing their rockets…could this be Lockerbie revisited?

Remember, at this time we’ve been told a missile was fired but NO one to date has yet seen the ‘classified intel’. Could a bomb have been in the cargo hold and been on a timer or detonated by someone on board…just something to think about. And while with Lockerbie terrorists did immediately take credit for the downing, with MH-17 NO terrorists have yet piped in, but could…and we only say could…the terrorists actually be the Ukrainians themselves…again solely to discredit Putin and the Russians.

And remember, NO terrorist group…NO islamic terrorist group…has yet taken credit for MH-370 which is still missing. Now think of this very scary thought…isn’t it more effective NOT to take credit for a plane’s downing and keep people on edge as it is to run and scream ‘we did it.’ The unknown is always more frightening than the known and this would serve terrorists… jihadis…well…as in keep them guessing… keep them scared.

But at this point NO matter who took down MH-17 one thing remains…Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s rush to place the blame on Vladimir Putin and Russia. Like we’ve said previously, Putin has totally emasculated Obama in the eyes of the world. Now Obama is seen NOT as leading from behind but seen as NOT leading at all. The ‘Russian Bear’ is now in a position of strength for while he currently controls the flow of oil into Europe, with both Ukraine and Crimea brought back into the ‘motherland’ he would acquire his much wanted and needed warm water port on the Black Sea. This NOT only would get Putin even more control over the flow of oil into Europe, but would aid him NOT in his rebuilding of the old Soviet Union but in his rebuilding of the Russian Empire. This in turn would knock the U.S. down to the world’s number two superpower with Russia becoming number one.

But when all is said and done the take down of MH-17 could very well be as we are being told (but we doubt it)…as in the separatists shot a surface-to-air missile and brought this plane down. We are just offering some alternative scenarios to think about, because when Obama rushes to judgment, and when the media blindly falls in lockstep with him, our antennas need to be at full alert. Remember, the last time Obama rushed to judgment was over a YouTube video and we all know how that turned out now don’t we.

Source:http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/07/29/mh-17-searching-for-the-truth/#comment-546835